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‘This Is Nuts.’ An OpenAI Insider Explains Why He Quit.

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Last week, David Robinson resigned from OpenAI. He’d been in charge of writing the safety reports for new models and came to believe that OpenAI and the broader artificial intelligence industry lack the safety culture necessary to protect the world from what they’re building. Robinson has an unusual background for an A.I. frontier lab staffer. He’s a Rhodes scholar and Yale Law graduate, he founded a civil rights nonprofit and he advised the Biden White House. He did not come up in the hothouse of Silicon Valley. And when he joined OpenAI in 2023, he says, he saw A.I. as a useful tool, not as a technology that could pose catastrophic risks. That’s changed. In Robinson’s first interview since leaving OpenAI, he tells me why. (The New York Times has sued OpenAI and Microsoft claiming copyright infringement. The companies have denied those claims.) This episode contains strong language. Mentioned: “On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots” by Emily M. Bender, Timnit Gebru, Angelina McMillan-Major and Shmargaret Shmitchell “An OpenAI Engineer and His Friends Debate the Future” “Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far” by The Ezra Klein Show “The Merge” by Sam Altman Sa

‘This Is Nuts.’ An OpenAI Insider Explains Why He Quit. — The Ezra Klein Show