Can Humans Still Control AI-Assisted Kill Chains? (with Katrina Manson)

About this episode

Katrina Manson is author of PROJECT MAVEN: A Marine Colonel, His Team, and the Dawn of AI Warfare. She joins the podcast to discuss Project Maven and the Pentagon's use of AI in military targeting. We explore how computer vision and language models accelerate decision-making, the operational challenges of data labeling and model reliability, and ethical questions surrounding human oversight. Katrina also discusses how commercial tech partnerships shape defense software and what accelerating targeting workflows means for accountability. LINKS: • Project Maven Book Page CHAPTERS: (00:00) Episode Preview (01:15) Origins of Project Maven (05:00) The Maven Smart System (08:39) Debating AI targeting speed (15:48) Human bottlenecks in war (20:48) Accountability and targeting errors (27:01) Defense and tech partnerships (32:41) Future of military AI (38:50) Remaining open questions PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Website: https://podcast.futureoflife.org Twitter (FLI): https://x.com/FLI_org Twitter (Gus): https://x.com/gusdocker LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/future-of-life-institute/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/