S15 E2 Karim Jouini on Why AI Is Breaking Software Faster Than Anyone Can Test It

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In this episode of FOMO Sapiens, Patrick McGinnis sits down with Karim Jouini, co-founder and CEO of Thunders.ai, to explore a problem most people in tech are ignoring: as AI writes code at unprecedented speed, no one has figured out how to test it fast enough. Karim brings a rare perspective to this conversation: he started his first software company at 16 in Tunisia, running a cyber café management system, spent seven years at Microsoft growing from software engineer to engineering manager, and then co-founded Expensya, an AI-based expense management platform that was acquired by Medius for over $120 million. Now he's building Thunders.ai, which deploys AI agents that build, run, and debug software tests using plain natural language, making enterprise-grade testing accessible to every team. The conversation spans entrepreneurship timing, the AI infrastructure bubble, digital sovereignty, and why the most intellectually challenging job in software might be the one everyone underestimates. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices