Episode 610: MW4 DMZ Players Want a PvE Mode. They're Wrong

About this episode

Modern Warfare 4 is fully out, and we're surprised by most of it. Multiplayer is getting hammered: the maps are bad, spawns are broken, SBMM is cranked up, and the movement got slowed down. Raz goes through each complaint, defends Call of Duty on a couple of them, and makes the case that arcade shooters are dying and we're aging out of them anyway. DMZ is the surprise. We said it would be dead by the time multiplayer came out, and people are still streaming it. We get into why: multiplayer is rough, the XP is good for camo grinding, and a lot of these players have never played an extraction shooter before. We still think DMZ runs out of content fast and won't last a month for most people. Then the big one: should MW4 DMZ get a PvE-only mode? Infinity Ward says no and that it believes in PvPvE. We agree, and we explain why a PvE DMZ would be finished in a week, why losing 100K when you die is the whole point, and why "just get better" is real advice. We also cover Tarkov PvE, Arc Raiders, extract camping, and what CoD does next year. 0:00 - Intro: audiobooks and The Terminal List 2:18 - We're live: Episode 610 4:01 - Patreon shoutouts and trivia night 6:55 - Modern Warfa