Can you want to succeed without losing your mind?

About this episode

Yowei cares so much about doing a good job that sometimes it makes her worse at her job. Can you care deeply about your work without obsessing over whether you succeed? Yowei turns to New Yorker staff writer Jay Caspian Kang, who seems to have mastered the art of caring deeply about his work without getting too attached to the outcome. See the photo in Yowei's booth and get Jay's low-investment reading list in this week's newsletter. Sign up for free at proxyhq.org. Is meaningful conversation overrated? Hear Yowei and Kyle debate what makes a good hang, plus Jay's advice to Yowei to shut the fuck up in our bonus episode for paid members.